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Low Back Pains
From our radio show |
Caller: I have had low
back problems for a number of years, and I would
say that once or twice a year my back will go
out. My back will go out at the strangest times,
I could be sitting in a chair and when I get up,
it can go out. I am at the end of my wits with
this. I have been trying to do everything I can
to strengthen it.
Dr. Darrow: Your situation is very common; most
of the people who have back pain, and that is
about 80% of the population at some point or
another who have recurrent back pain like you
do, have what we call lax or loose ligaments
that connect the pelvis to the vertebrae.
(Ligaments attach the bones to the bones).
So what happens is you can get in certain
position where you lift something or there is
some activity that you do, the ligaments,
because they are loose, will allow the bones to
move out of position causing inflammation and
pain.
You have to strengthen the abdominal muscles. We
have at our clinic, a machine that is called
MedX which is very specific for getting those
muscles right around the vertebrae tightened up
and strengthened up and then Prolotherapy is
absolutely perfect for that because it grows
back these ligaments and when I say grow back I
mean it increases the density by about 50% and
the tensile strength by 200-400%.
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NSAIDs
From our radio show |
Caller: I suffer from
chronic pain from a number of sports injuries,
lower back and shoulder, I currently take a
number of NSAIDs, I have tried the ones that are
suppose to be strong, but maybe they are bad for
you heart. Any suggestions for those of us with
these ongoing problems?
Dr. Darrow: In my opinion, the best suggestion
is to try to get off the NSAIDs, get to the root
of the problem and get that fixed. Have you had
any surgeries already?
Caller: I have had three lower back surgeries.
Dr. Darrow: We can examine the low back and see
if there is something we can do with
Prolotherapy. Do you have any pain down your
leg?
Caller: Occasionally down the left leg, but the
pain is mostly in the back.
Dr. Darrow: Well that is good news because that
sounds like it is “mechanical low back pain,”
which means that the ligaments are probably just
sprained and you can have hope.
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Radiculopathy
From our radio show |
Caller: I have been
suffering with lower back pain due to playing
football for such a long time. The pain runs
from my lower back down into the right side of
my leg. Chiropractors worked on me for years but
they say that basically there is nothing they
can do for me with the discs as compressed as
they are. I played in the NFL for 18 months.
Dr. Darrow: There are two things that run
through my mind immediately when someone has leg
pain, either it is a radiculopathy which means
that there is some bone that is overgrown in the
vertebrae that closes off the holes where the
nerves come out or there is a piece of the disc
that cushions the vertebrae that has broken
loose or has become a herniated disc. If that is
the case, then Prolotherapy sometimes can help
because it stabilizes the vertebrae so there is
not much shifting of the bones so it is not
irritating the nerve.
We are differentiating between a referral
pattern from a ligament in the low back or a
radiculopathy which is an inflammation or a
pinching around the nerve that comes out of the
spinal cord that comes out of the vertebrae and
goes down the leg. And unless we are able to put
our thumbs in your back and check you out, we
would not know for sure what is going on but we
will be careful NOT to use an MRI to make our
diagnosis for us because more than half the
people with no back pain at all, if they get put
in an MRI machine, half of them would have disc
problems ON FILM, but no back pain.
Most of the surgeries that are done, in my
opinion, is to cure the MRI than to cure the
person. Our clinic is filled with these people
who had the surgeries that have failed.
There is hope, even when people do have these
flares of leg pain like you do, most of them go
away on their own.
Caller: That is exactly
right, I have been dealing with this for 20
years. It comes and goes.
Dr. Darrow: Back exercises can be a good idea.
MedX is a big frame machine built by Arthur
Jones who built Nautalis Equipment. This machine
can strengthen up the muscles in the low back,
which can be a good idea with someone with this
type of problem. There is a lot of hope that you
can deal with this without surgery. But if you
have progressive neurological deficits like you
can't go to the bathroom, you can't lift your
leg, your leg is shrinking in size, things like
that you need a surgical consult.
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Radiculopathy
From our radio show |
Caller: I was in a car
accident, a roll over car accident on the
freeway that resulted in Bulging Discs in my
spine and a herniated disc in my neck. They
cause me a great deal of pain.
Dr. Darrow: Do you have any pain that goes down
your arms or legs?
Caller: Down my arms
especially on one side, the left side
Dr. Darrow: (If it is a nerve problem) One of
the first things I would try (even before
Prolotherapy) is spinal decompression therapy.
Spinal decompression therapy is like traction
except it pulls you in different directions.
What it does is pull on the spine and open up
the foramen which are the holes in the spinal
cord which the nerves pass through that go down
the arm and very often with a series of
decompressions, you can aleviate the problem by
in essence, giving the nerve more room to
breath.
The other thing is that there are trigger points
often that can cause these radiating pains down
the limbs and even though you say you a
herniated disc, that doesn't mean that that is
causing your pain or the pain radiation, because
there are trigger points that can create the
referral pain patterns just as well as what we
call radiculopathy or pinched nerve, so you need
to go to someone who understands these different
mechanisms and just doesn't follow the
allopathic medical model of "herniated disc - go
to surgery."
We find that most of the people that have these
problems with radiating pain is that the
radiating pain actually goes away by itself,
even without doctors over a period of time, now
it can be cyclical thing and come back but often
times I have had patients who have fought me and
gone to surgery and not only winding up with
pain in one limb, but pain going down the other
limb as well probably because of scar tissue
that forms.
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Herniated Discs - Sciatica
From our radio show |
Caller: I am having a lot
of problems with my L5 disc. Every now and then
and for no reason I get a tremendous pain back
there and my back freezes up and I can't do
anything or straighten up and I'm bent over in
half. This goes on for several days.
I went and had an MRI and the radiologist says
that I have a herniated disc. I would like to
know about what causes it and what possibly
could correct it other than surgery.
Dr. Darrow: Great Question. Do you know more
than half the people walking around with "disc
problems" don't have any pain. What does that
tell you? It tells you that even though you may
have a 5 millimeter herniation in your disc,
that may not be what is giving you pain.
From the history of what you are telling me that
you cannot straighten up, this does not
typically sound like a herniated disc problem,
it sounds like something we call mechanical back
pain. This is where your ligaments maybe
stretched out or the covering of the muscle
called the fascia which attaches all across your
back muscles and attaches to the pelvis maybe
stretched out.
Do you have pain running down your legs?
Caller: Yes I do, it
runs down the sciatica nerve, it runs down my
right leg and that will go on for a day or two
days and then fades away.
Dr. Darrow: It is a very good thing that it
fades away that maybe because it is not sciatica
nerve pain at all but a referral pain from the
ligaments in your back.
We strengthen that whole area up we use MedX
back exercises to strengthen the muscles around
the vertebrae then we use chiropractic
adjustments for alignment, then we use
Prolotherapy to thicken and strengthen the
ligaments.
Just because it looks like sciatica doesn't men
it is sciatica. Sciatica means that the sciatic
nerve is actually being impinged on and that is
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Herniated Discs
From our radio show |
Caller: I have slight
herniation between the L3 and L4 vertebrae from
playing sports. What is the suggestion for
stabilizing the area short of surgery?
Dr. Darrow: What we do is stabilize the
vertebrae and the ligaments around them so if
there is a herniated disc, it doesn't cause any
havoc by rubbing against the nerves that come
out the spine and go down the leg.
There are several ways we stabilize the area,
one is with MedX back exercise equipment. MedX
machines exercise your back by taking your lower
body or pelvis out of the picture so when you
exercise (which is just a forward extension and
a backwards extension), it strengthens the
muscle right around the vertebrae, those little
paraspinal muscles that are weak in everyone.
The muscles around the L3-L4 area do not have
very good strength, with this MedX equipment, we
can strengthen up every area of the back. It has
a computer hooked up that shows us exactly where
your muscles are weak. Another thing we do is
use chiropractic for alignment of the back and
we use Prolotherapy, which is an injection in
the area where the ligaments attach, we actually
thicken up those ligaments by 50% and strengthen
them by 200-400%.
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Herniated Discs
From our radio show |
CALLER: I have baseball
injury and I play golf at least once a week, and
once maybe twice a year I will aggravate this
old back injury, a bulging disc. Anything that
you can recommend?
Dr. Darrow: What happened with the baseball how
long ago was that?
CALLER: 8-9 years ago.
Dr. Darrow: And was that the same area of your
back that hurt when you play golf?
CALLER: Yes, lower
right, same injury
Dr. Darrow: At some point you probably sprained
the iliolumbar ligament. I am a little bit
guessing here because I can't touch you, but if
you are sore, if you can press you thumb right
above your pelvis and that is the sore area,
that is where the iliolumbar ligament is and
that is what attaches the pelvis to the spine
and for people, especially golfers where they
make a big turn and swinging their club at like
100 miles an hour and then torquing their
body's, it stretches their ligaments way out, it
is like a rubber band that has been stretched
too far and it doesn't come back to its original
size until we do Prolotherapy and it brings it
back into alignment. DO you have any leg pain
with your back pain?
Caller: No
Dr. Darrow: I am pretty sure if that we
palpitated the area for you it would be pretty
sore and Prolotherapy would help heal that right
up.
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Complicated Disc Problems
From our radio show |
CALLER: What you have been discussing really
directly effects my life. I am in my 30's, and
for at least the last three to 4 years I have
had significant back pain and recently it has
gotten worse and to make that more complicated
recently I have had a couple of car accidents
that have inflamed my lower back pain. I have
been told that I have a herniation, I guess a
bulge in my lower back and my concern is I don't
want to have surgery, what I do want to do is
have some semblance of a normal life and I love
to play golf which is hard to do with lower back
pain. When you go and play you wind up with an
aching back that practically knocks you off your
feet for a couple of days. How can Prolotherapy
help? I have not until recently heard of it and
I don't want to have the surgery because I am
not happy with the results I hear.
Dr. Darrow: Do you have any pain that radiates
down your back to your legs?
CALLER: Sometimes I do,
at the moment I don't. If I am more active
sometimes I get the pain that radiates down like
the thigh of one leg.
Dr. Darrow: And is the back pain greater than
the leg pain?
CALLER: Yes, it is the
main thing.
Dr. Darrow: This is a good indication for us
that surgery is not the answer. The only time I
think about anyone having back surgery is when
there is a progressive neurological deficit. And
that means that you can not go to the bathroom,
your leg is shrinking, or your leg doesn't move.
That is when you have to think about surgery.
You are no where near that. My bet is, because
of the twisting of the golf, you have loosened
up some ligaments in your low back. We need to
get them rejuvenated. Studies have shown by
biopsy in these areas that after a series of
Prolotherapy injections, the ligaments down
there get about 50% thicker and 200-400%
stronger and I have taken care of hundreds of
golfers, who have no more back pain.
The chances are that you have a ligament strain
and the chances are that Prolotherapy can knock
that out in three to four treatments.
There are times for surgery, when something
become un-anatomical like a bone is bent or a
big floating body in their knee and their knee
locks up and they can't walk, of course, get
those things out. It is the elective surgeries I
am talking about.
When you give the body a chance to heal itself,
it does. The problems with people like the
caller is that they don't heal so well because
the ligaments do not have a good blood supply so
by doing the Prolotherapy we are instilling a
new blood supply to the area which brings
fibroblasts that are cells that produce collagen
and the area is rejuvenated and the pain goes
away.
I have had pain go away in one minute and we
have had pain go away in a couple of months, it
depends on the patient situation. We had one
gentlemen come in who had Prolotherapy on his
back after 45 years of back pain and he had no
more pain. I would say that the average is three
or four treatment over a period of months.
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